1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,440 This is Robert Bering, Director of the 20th Century UFO Bureau. 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:13,120 I think that perhaps in all of my years of research and investigative procedures into 3 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:19,880 the UFO phenomenon, what you are about to hear is probably the most unusual series of 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,720 events that has happened to me in all of these years. 5 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:29,520 I began my UFO research at a time that I was a journalist in the field of radio broadcasting 6 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:34,040 and also affiliated with a newspaper in Buffalo, New York. 7 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:42,320 It started for me in the year of 1957 and the month of November, that when I began researching 8 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,440 the UFO subject. 9 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:51,040 And it has carried through to the present time at which time it is now a full-time work. 10 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:56,080 You know, over the years there have been reports of attempts to silence certain individuals 11 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:00,120 experiencing close encounters of the first and second kinds. 12 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,880 It eventually branched out to UFO researcher and investigators. 13 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:11,000 It was during the 1950s and 60s that the MIB incidents became quite prominent and it usually 14 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:17,840 involved three men investigating UFO cases relating to landings and the filming of UFOs. 15 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:24,160 The men in black, they were called, without fail turned up shortly after a sighting, sometimes 16 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:30,600 flashing Air Force credentials or in a few instances, NORAD identification cards. 17 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,120 Now this did not imply that they were from a secret government agency involving themselves 18 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,520 in the UFO mystery, but one thing always stood out. 19 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:46,040 The men in black knew of the UFO cases and the persons involved before the witnesses 20 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,020 reported their experiences to anyone. 21 00:01:50,020 --> 00:01:54,520 In too many cases, the witnesses would often remain silent in the event the local news 22 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,920 media learned of the incident. 23 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:02,940 The MIB would show up and instruct the witnesses to say nothing, absolutely nothing, or they 24 00:02:02,940 --> 00:02:06,060 could get themselves into a lot of trouble. 25 00:02:06,060 --> 00:02:11,460 The threesome were usually dressed in dark business suits and traveled in black government 26 00:02:11,460 --> 00:02:13,620 type cars. 27 00:02:13,620 --> 00:02:20,420 There was an unusual case near Damon, Texas that involved two deputy sheriffs. 28 00:02:20,420 --> 00:02:26,220 Earlier in the day, one of them was bitten by his pet alligator sustaining an open wound 29 00:02:26,220 --> 00:02:27,660 on his arm. 30 00:02:27,660 --> 00:02:33,180 The two some were now on duty and while touring assigned areas in their patrol car, they sighted 31 00:02:33,180 --> 00:02:36,060 a UFO up ahead and near the road. 32 00:02:36,060 --> 00:02:39,020 They attempted to move in nearer. 33 00:02:39,020 --> 00:02:45,660 The injured arm of the one deputy was resting on the edge of the car window. 34 00:02:45,660 --> 00:02:52,040 Without warning, the UFO approached them, passed over the car and bathed the injured 35 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,220 arm with a light source emanating from the craft. 36 00:02:56,220 --> 00:03:03,700 By the time the deputies arrived in town, the wound was, listen, completely healed. 37 00:03:03,700 --> 00:03:08,420 It had been a pretty bad bite, but now it was as though nothing had happened to that 38 00:03:08,420 --> 00:03:10,220 arm. 39 00:03:10,220 --> 00:03:14,860 Arriving at a local restaurant with his buddy, the deputy with the previously injured arm 40 00:03:14,860 --> 00:03:20,460 was approached by a stranger and was told the following, quote, you know, if I were 41 00:03:20,460 --> 00:03:26,300 you, I wouldn't say anything about that thing you saw on the highway. 42 00:03:26,300 --> 00:03:31,980 The stranger as common as any earth man could be turned around and departed. 43 00:03:31,980 --> 00:03:38,900 Now up to that point, neither deputy had said anything to anyone. 44 00:03:38,900 --> 00:03:41,220 Another type silencer also surfaced. 45 00:03:41,220 --> 00:03:42,220 It was military. 46 00:03:42,220 --> 00:03:46,820 Now these mystery men were usually dressed in Air Force uniforms or they flashed impressive 47 00:03:46,820 --> 00:03:50,060 credentials from various government agencies. 48 00:03:50,060 --> 00:03:54,660 Colonel George Freeman, Air Force spokesman at the Pentagon at that time, said that these 49 00:03:54,660 --> 00:04:00,340 men in Air Force uniforms would silence witnesses who had sighted UFOs. 50 00:04:00,340 --> 00:04:03,860 Colonel Freeman confirmed that they had checked a number of these incidents and concluded 51 00:04:03,860 --> 00:04:09,380 them in were not associated with the United States Air Force in any way, shape or form 52 00:04:09,380 --> 00:04:12,820 and therefore they were imposters. 53 00:04:12,820 --> 00:04:17,580 A New Jersey incident involved a man in Air Force uniform who investigated a UFO case in 54 00:04:17,580 --> 00:04:24,020 that state and he warned the witnesses not to discuss their sighting and that they really 55 00:04:24,020 --> 00:04:26,180 hadn't seen anything after all. 56 00:04:26,580 --> 00:04:31,700 Well, a check was made at the local Air Force base in that locale and confirmation was received 57 00:04:31,700 --> 00:04:38,940 that nobody from that base had visited the witnesses on the date in question. 58 00:04:38,940 --> 00:04:43,220 Another mystery man, bearing credentials from the North American Air Defense Command, now 59 00:04:43,220 --> 00:04:49,140 that's NORAD, came to the home of Rex Hethlin who had taken several excellent pictures of 60 00:04:49,140 --> 00:04:52,860 the UFO near a highway in the state of California. 61 00:04:52,860 --> 00:04:56,540 And this man demanded the originals. 62 00:04:56,540 --> 00:05:00,660 Later NORAD denied having anything to do with that incident. 63 00:05:00,660 --> 00:05:05,540 The original pictures were never returned and the Air Force was unable to determine the 64 00:05:05,540 --> 00:05:10,540 identity of the mystery man reportedly from NORAD. 65 00:05:10,540 --> 00:05:15,460 It was during the early 1970s that I was interviewed by a Lady News reporter for a Philadelphia 66 00:05:15,460 --> 00:05:17,460 television station. 67 00:05:17,460 --> 00:05:22,820 In private conversation she related an incident that happened to her as a reporter for a Lancaster 68 00:05:22,820 --> 00:05:24,980 Pennsylvania News outlet. 69 00:05:24,980 --> 00:05:29,260 It was late at night when she learned of a UFO that had landed in a small burrow near 70 00:05:29,260 --> 00:05:32,380 Lancaster taking camera, paper and pencils. 71 00:05:32,380 --> 00:05:36,260 She went to her car and began the short trip to the town involved. 72 00:05:36,260 --> 00:05:40,980 As she approached her destination she was greeted by a barricade and police that stopped 73 00:05:40,980 --> 00:05:43,780 all traffic from entering. 74 00:05:43,780 --> 00:05:49,980 Now the next day she decided to try to look into the matter because by the time she returned 75 00:05:49,980 --> 00:05:53,660 to her home that night it was around the midnight hour. 76 00:05:53,660 --> 00:05:58,180 Right in early the following morning and en route to the UFO landing site the reporter 77 00:05:58,180 --> 00:06:04,380 discovered the barricade was gone and upon arrival local residents were questioned and 78 00:06:04,380 --> 00:06:09,140 it soon became apparent that all was quiet on the town front. 79 00:06:09,140 --> 00:06:13,620 Nobody was saying nothing about a landed UFO. 80 00:06:13,620 --> 00:06:17,740 Well the journalist finally hit pay dirt when she managed to secure information from a few 81 00:06:17,780 --> 00:06:22,300 isolated persons brave enough to come forth though they would not permit the use of their 82 00:06:22,300 --> 00:06:23,300 names. 83 00:06:23,300 --> 00:06:29,540 A UFO did indeed land in town the previous night and there were several minutes before 84 00:06:29,540 --> 00:06:33,060 departing when it vanished into the heavens. 85 00:06:33,060 --> 00:06:38,700 Now these same residents told of a black government type car arriving within an hour after the 86 00:06:38,700 --> 00:06:44,980 UFO departure and three men in black converged on the town residents instructing them to 87 00:06:45,020 --> 00:06:48,500 remain totally silent about what they had seen. 88 00:06:48,500 --> 00:06:51,940 All did except a brave few. 89 00:06:51,940 --> 00:06:56,580 The next move was to go to the police agencies covering that portion of the county and was 90 00:06:56,580 --> 00:07:00,500 amazed to find absolutely nothing on police records. 91 00:07:00,500 --> 00:07:04,700 She checked next with Lancaster police to see if they might have any information on the 92 00:07:04,700 --> 00:07:05,700 case. 93 00:07:05,700 --> 00:07:06,700 Well they didn't. 94 00:07:06,700 --> 00:07:12,660 Contact was made with other police units in and near the vicinity involved nothing absolutely 95 00:07:13,620 --> 00:07:15,340 was forthcoming. 96 00:07:15,340 --> 00:07:20,820 The reporter had run into a blank wall of silence involving the Lancaster County Pennsylvania 97 00:07:20,820 --> 00:07:23,260 UFO encounter. 98 00:07:23,260 --> 00:07:27,420 Well this marked another in too many cases of mystery men and their attempts to silence 99 00:07:27,420 --> 00:07:32,740 too many witnesses involved in too many unusual UFO encounters. 100 00:07:32,740 --> 00:07:38,740 My own personal experience involving a series of strange incidents had its beginning in 101 00:07:38,740 --> 00:07:41,660 the year of 1977. 102 00:07:41,660 --> 00:07:48,660 It was Lancaster County once again and the date was January the 21st 1977 when I appeared 103 00:07:49,620 --> 00:07:55,100 as a guest on the news oriented program during the noon hour on the Lancaster County television 104 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:56,780 station. 105 00:07:56,780 --> 00:08:02,020 During that interview I showed several UFO film slides one of which was a fantastic picture 106 00:08:02,020 --> 00:08:07,620 of a circular shaped craft hovering at tree top level in the state of Oregon during the 107 00:08:07,620 --> 00:08:10,140 year of 1964. 108 00:08:10,140 --> 00:08:15,180 It was filmed by Dr. Daniel W. Fry who at one time was affiliated in rocket research 109 00:08:15,180 --> 00:08:19,780 for the government of white sands proving grounds in New Mexico. 110 00:08:19,780 --> 00:08:24,740 Many features stood out sharp and clear on that brilliantly white craft which included 111 00:08:24,740 --> 00:08:29,860 a rim section and a protrusion at the top and the bottom center. 112 00:08:29,860 --> 00:08:35,220 The interview was very well received by the viewers especially one. 113 00:08:35,220 --> 00:08:42,020 After the same year I was invited to appear again the date was August the 19th 1977 and 114 00:08:42,020 --> 00:08:46,700 prior to going on I learned of a most unusual incident. 115 00:08:46,700 --> 00:08:51,340 The hostess of the telecast told me that shortly after I left the studios on January 116 00:08:51,340 --> 00:08:57,700 the 21st she received a telephone call from a man who identified himself as being with 117 00:08:57,700 --> 00:09:01,980 the U.S. government agency and likewise gave his name. 118 00:09:01,980 --> 00:09:07,980 He was very upset over the showing of the Oregon UFO filmed by Dr. Fry and requested 119 00:09:07,980 --> 00:09:11,260 a videotape copy of that interview. 120 00:09:11,260 --> 00:09:16,780 It so happened since it was a live appearance that day they didn't videotape the session. 121 00:09:16,780 --> 00:09:22,060 Now he was quite outraged to think that it wasn't copied on videotape and he disgustedly 122 00:09:22,060 --> 00:09:24,460 hung up. 123 00:09:24,460 --> 00:09:30,380 That was on August the 19th 1977 when I was told of this incident and it was also the 124 00:09:30,380 --> 00:09:35,100 last time that I was to appear on that noon hour telecast. 125 00:09:35,100 --> 00:09:42,180 I was never invited again coincidental perhaps but there's more. 126 00:09:42,180 --> 00:09:48,020 One of the oft asked questions I received at various lectures on the UFO subject that 127 00:09:48,020 --> 00:09:50,860 I've given in the past was this question. 128 00:09:50,860 --> 00:09:55,260 Has anyone within government circles ever attempted to silence you because of some of 129 00:09:55,260 --> 00:09:59,660 the information you have on crashed UFOs? 130 00:09:59,660 --> 00:10:04,420 Well until the year of 1977 the answer to that question was no. 131 00:10:04,420 --> 00:10:11,860 However during the summer of 1977 that answer changed as a result of a series of incidents 132 00:10:11,860 --> 00:10:14,980 that occurred to me. 133 00:10:14,980 --> 00:10:22,020 Now on the 30th of March 1977 a Western Union mailgram was sent to the 20th century UFO 134 00:10:22,020 --> 00:10:24,700 of which I am its director. 135 00:10:24,700 --> 00:10:30,020 It was dispatched by a film corporation in the western United States. 136 00:10:30,020 --> 00:10:34,820 They were seeking information on the UFO subject for a major motion picture to be based on 137 00:10:34,820 --> 00:10:40,920 fact but it was going to be dramatized by professional actors. 138 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:48,820 The data desired centered on three areas number one government contact with UFOs number two 139 00:10:48,820 --> 00:10:55,220 government withholding of evidence on UFO existence and number three information on 140 00:10:55,220 --> 00:11:01,660 UFO crashes and the withholding of that information by the government from the public. 141 00:11:01,660 --> 00:11:06,660 Now it was the latter category that I would be able to supply them the desired material 142 00:11:06,660 --> 00:11:13,380 needed for such a film and as a result I made contact with them and as a result of that 143 00:11:13,380 --> 00:11:19,820 was flown to one of their major offices at which time I presented my material. 144 00:11:19,820 --> 00:11:24,300 Now my material involved a crashed UFO in the state of New Mexico during the year of 145 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:31,060 1962 an outline of the completeness that it was prepared and submitted for their consideration. 146 00:11:31,060 --> 00:11:37,380 Out of the more than 100 mailgrams sent to UFO organizations and researchers by this film 147 00:11:37,380 --> 00:11:44,180 corporation only three were selected of which our bureau was one of them. 148 00:11:44,180 --> 00:11:48,580 Many facets of the case were listed including the tracking of the UFO and military radar 149 00:11:48,580 --> 00:11:53,740 scopes in the southwestern United States and intercept mission undertaken the performance 150 00:11:53,740 --> 00:11:59,600 of the spacecraft which indicated flight difficulty and the crash of that vehicle some 80 miles 151 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,540 south of Hollam and Air Force Base. 152 00:12:02,540 --> 00:12:06,740 The size and the basic description of the craft was also given along with the discovery 153 00:12:06,740 --> 00:12:11,380 of two alien cadavers inside that craft. 154 00:12:11,380 --> 00:12:16,820 I also related where the bodies were eventually taken for scientific study of their body structure 155 00:12:16,820 --> 00:12:22,380 and what happened to the space vehicle once it was removed from the crash site. 156 00:12:22,380 --> 00:12:29,100 The submitted material was accepted and within two weeks a contract was sent to me by the 157 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:36,220 corporation for the use of the 1962 case and other related UFO data in their movie which 158 00:12:36,220 --> 00:12:40,020 was to be the main portion of the picture. 159 00:12:40,020 --> 00:12:45,460 I was to be a technical consultant to the nonfiction film and the planned release to 160 00:12:45,460 --> 00:12:50,860 theaters across the country was late November or early December 1977. 161 00:12:50,860 --> 00:12:54,340 Now remember this it's important. 162 00:12:54,340 --> 00:13:00,140 On the enough and at the same time I was involved with the film corporation in the western United 163 00:13:00,140 --> 00:13:01,260 States. 164 00:13:01,260 --> 00:13:07,060 I was contacted by a second motion picture company headquartered in New York City. 165 00:13:07,060 --> 00:13:13,580 Now what was unusual about this was they too were working on the same type of a nonfiction 166 00:13:13,580 --> 00:13:18,900 film crashed UFOs and the suppression of the information by the government. 167 00:13:18,900 --> 00:13:24,500 Their film was scheduled for release during the summer of 1978. 168 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:29,900 Now one of their advertising slogans now that's the second motion picture firm for their 169 00:13:29,900 --> 00:13:36,060 feature length film on crashed UFOs was the following quote the true story of the best 170 00:13:36,060 --> 00:13:39,460 kept secret of our time. 171 00:13:39,460 --> 00:13:43,740 Now we have two motion picture corporations working on the same type of picture at the 172 00:13:43,740 --> 00:13:46,500 same time. 173 00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:51,500 After receiving my contract from the film company in the western United States I had 174 00:13:51,500 --> 00:13:56,940 reason to make contact with the gentleman that I would be working with in the production. 175 00:13:57,020 --> 00:14:02,620 I placed a person a person called to him and was informed that he was not there and wouldn't 176 00:14:02,620 --> 00:14:04,820 be for another day or two. 177 00:14:04,820 --> 00:14:12,220 He was in Washington D.C. on business for the corporation. 178 00:14:12,220 --> 00:14:17,220 The contract was mailed to me on June the 17th 1977. 179 00:14:17,220 --> 00:14:22,620 By the time I received the contract and reviewed it and made my call to him it was around June 180 00:14:22,620 --> 00:14:25,540 the 20th or perhaps a little later. 181 00:14:25,540 --> 00:14:31,340 I was at this point just a few days away from receiving a letter with the heading which 182 00:14:31,340 --> 00:14:37,500 read Central Intelligence Agency Washington D.C. 183 00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:45,180 Dated the 30th of June 1977 I was informed that recent reports received from CIA field 184 00:14:45,180 --> 00:14:50,140 representatives indicated I had received information that I shouldn't have. 185 00:14:50,140 --> 00:14:55,540 The letter in part said the following quote a check of your file in the domestic collection 186 00:14:55,540 --> 00:15:03,500 divisions UFO records center does not indicate you were ever cleared to receive crypto material. 187 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:08,020 The CIA letter indicated that they were aware of the two motion picture companies in the 188 00:15:08,020 --> 00:15:13,620 process of producing a film on crashed UFOs and government suppression. 189 00:15:13,620 --> 00:15:20,380 I was told the following neither of these companies is receiving cooperation on their 190 00:15:20,380 --> 00:15:26,300 respective projects from this agency and of course now this would seem to indicate that 191 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:31,380 the cooperation of the Central Intelligence Agency would be required if said film companies 192 00:15:31,380 --> 00:15:37,100 were to release such a film on this particular phase of the UFO subject. 193 00:15:37,100 --> 00:15:41,800 Not only that but I was further informed the director of Central Intelligence is totally 194 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:48,640 opposed to disclosure about UFOs at the present time and that the data on the crashed UFO 195 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:56,400 case of 1962 is not releasable to the public until further certain conditions are brought 196 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,420 about by presidential announcements and of quote. 197 00:16:00,420 --> 00:16:07,260 Then came the hair razor the letter stipulated that since I had received unauthorized information 198 00:16:07,260 --> 00:16:13,620 the director hereby request your presence at CIA headquarters Langley Virginia at 9 199 00:16:13,620 --> 00:16:18,260 a.m. on the 8th of July 1977. 200 00:16:18,260 --> 00:16:23,220 I was now scheduled for a debriefing session on the crashed UFO information and as a result 201 00:16:23,220 --> 00:16:29,060 would be placed under a CIA restriction not to disclose any of this information until I 202 00:16:29,060 --> 00:16:32,780 had received the proper legal clearance. 203 00:16:32,780 --> 00:16:37,620 Real silence on my part was requested as it relates to the CIA letter I had received 204 00:16:37,620 --> 00:16:42,940 since the communication to me was considered a confidential matter between the director 205 00:16:42,940 --> 00:16:44,620 and yours truly. 206 00:16:44,620 --> 00:16:50,500 I was further told to make no telephone calls to the CIA or to any other parties regarding 207 00:16:50,500 --> 00:16:52,620 the matters discussed herein. 208 00:16:52,620 --> 00:16:57,100 This matter will not be discussed by phone and of quote. 209 00:16:57,100 --> 00:17:05,780 The CIA letter was signed as follows quote for the director Arnold B. White chief of 210 00:17:05,780 --> 00:17:14,020 the domestic collection division and of quote on July the 7th 1977 the day before my schedule 211 00:17:14,020 --> 00:17:18,620 meeting with the director of the central intelligence agency who at that time was Dan 212 00:17:18,620 --> 00:17:25,100 Field Turner a second letter was received from someone using a code name. 213 00:17:25,100 --> 00:17:31,700 It said in part that the original letter had not been authorized by the CIA and that I was 214 00:17:31,700 --> 00:17:33,540 not to fear. 215 00:17:33,540 --> 00:17:36,660 Well now it was time for action. 216 00:17:36,660 --> 00:17:41,580 I immediately called the central intelligence agency and spoke with Elliot Rice of the 217 00:17:41,580 --> 00:17:46,900 security division and related all the data contained in both letters. 218 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:50,940 Mr. Rice informed me that he would look into the matter and if I was scheduled to appear 219 00:17:50,940 --> 00:17:54,540 the following day he would immediately get back to me by phone. 220 00:17:54,540 --> 00:17:57,700 That was the last I ever heard of him. 221 00:17:57,700 --> 00:18:02,020 Before our conversation ended he told me the information would be turned over to others 222 00:18:02,020 --> 00:18:06,460 within the security division and perhaps I would hear directly from them and perhaps 223 00:18:06,460 --> 00:18:07,540 not. 224 00:18:07,540 --> 00:18:12,060 That was on July the 7th 1977. 225 00:18:12,060 --> 00:18:19,540 Nearly one year later on the 17th of April 1978 I sent a letter to the CIA requesting 226 00:18:19,540 --> 00:18:24,900 their findings of the investigation into the original CIA letter. 227 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:30,700 After some time had passed I finally received a correspondence informing me what I already 228 00:18:30,700 --> 00:18:36,620 knew that such a letter was not the action of the CIA and if I ever received another 229 00:18:36,620 --> 00:18:39,740 such letter contact them immediately. 230 00:18:39,740 --> 00:18:41,420 Well what for? 231 00:18:41,420 --> 00:18:44,700 It certainly didn't do me any good to contact them the first time. 232 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:47,660 They denied having anything to do with it. 233 00:18:47,660 --> 00:18:49,460 But there's more. 234 00:18:49,460 --> 00:18:52,420 In the meantime there's a question. 235 00:18:52,420 --> 00:18:58,700 Was the CIA letter a complete hoax and sent by someone not affiliated with at least at 236 00:18:58,700 --> 00:19:04,900 that time with any intelligence branch of the United States government or was it a scare 237 00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:12,420 tactic to keep the crashed UFO data from being used by the motion picture firm? 238 00:19:12,420 --> 00:19:13,900 There's more. 239 00:19:13,900 --> 00:19:21,220 The letter to me and dated July the 18th 1977 from the law firm representing the film corporation 240 00:19:21,220 --> 00:19:26,620 in the western United States that I was working with on the crashed UFO film I was told to 241 00:19:26,620 --> 00:19:31,940 stop all my work on the assembly of UFO related material. 242 00:19:31,940 --> 00:19:37,860 Now one of the problems confronting me from the film firm was their request of naming 243 00:19:37,860 --> 00:19:42,660 my main information source which I could not give them at that time for obvious reasons 244 00:19:42,660 --> 00:19:45,980 since this man was still involved in government work. 245 00:19:45,980 --> 00:19:49,260 The attorney's letter also outlined the following. 246 00:19:49,260 --> 00:19:55,180 Furthermore, due in part to the difficulties the film company has encountered in obtaining 247 00:19:55,180 --> 00:20:01,580 the proper legal clearance of UFO material of this nature, the organization has been 248 00:20:01,580 --> 00:20:06,700 unable to meet its original production and distribution schedule for a UFO picture and 249 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:10,380 therefore has abandoned this project altogether. 250 00:20:10,380 --> 00:20:17,140 I reflect back once again to the month of June 1977 when I attempted to contact the 251 00:20:17,140 --> 00:20:22,420 director of research development with the film firm to discuss some aspects of the contract 252 00:20:22,420 --> 00:20:26,020 offered me and was told that he was out of town. 253 00:20:26,020 --> 00:20:30,820 He was in Washington D.C. 254 00:20:30,820 --> 00:20:36,220 You know it's very interesting to bring out at this point that both film firms who were 255 00:20:36,220 --> 00:20:42,180 involved in the same type of production stopped their work on their films and as a result 256 00:20:42,180 --> 00:20:46,780 neither company completed their original undertaking of releasing a non-fiction motion picture 257 00:20:46,780 --> 00:20:52,180 film on crashed UFOs in the United States and the suppression of such cases by the government 258 00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:53,580 from the public. 259 00:20:53,580 --> 00:20:55,060 Interesting isn't it? 260 00:20:55,060 --> 00:20:59,620 Well with the release of the motion picture film entitled Close Encounters of the Third 261 00:20:59,620 --> 00:21:06,420 Kind which was scheduled for December 1977 which had as its technical advisor Dr. J. 262 00:21:06,420 --> 00:21:11,380 Allen Hennick formally with the United States Air Force Project Blue Book Unit investigating 263 00:21:11,380 --> 00:21:17,340 UFO cases, is it possible that the government wanted to wait for the public reaction to 264 00:21:17,340 --> 00:21:23,620 such a film as this, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, before the release to theaters 265 00:21:23,620 --> 00:21:27,620 of a non-fiction picture on crashed UFOs? 266 00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:29,460 Well it's food for thought. 267 00:21:29,460 --> 00:21:34,380 Now reflecting back to the CEI letter and the statement that crashed UFO information 268 00:21:34,380 --> 00:21:38,540 is not releasable to the public until certain conditions are brought about by presidential 269 00:21:38,540 --> 00:21:45,220 announcements, another factor, an important factor surfaces to make this cloak and dagger 270 00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:48,780 case all the more convincing. 271 00:21:48,780 --> 00:21:55,740 In the April 18, 1977 edition of U.S. News and World Report, an interesting comment was 272 00:21:55,740 --> 00:22:01,300 made in their Washington Whispers column which said that the official word was coming 273 00:22:01,300 --> 00:22:04,260 on UFOs before the end of the year. 274 00:22:04,260 --> 00:22:11,180 Now this official word was to have some unsettling disclosures on UFOs and that such revelations 275 00:22:11,180 --> 00:22:18,340 based on information from the CIA would be a reversal of official policy that in the 276 00:22:18,340 --> 00:22:23,020 past has downgraded UFO incidents, end of quote. 277 00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:27,740 Now this official announcement by the government according to the article could possibly come 278 00:22:27,740 --> 00:22:30,900 from the president. 279 00:22:30,900 --> 00:22:37,580 Now you know that is most interesting since my CIA letter did implicate the president 280 00:22:37,580 --> 00:22:44,660 and also the fact that once again the CIA is implicated within the framework of UFO 281 00:22:44,660 --> 00:22:46,720 information. 282 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,100 Another interesting point to all of this is the fact that I received my greetings from 283 00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:55,180 the government in the form of a letter with the heading of Central Intelligence Agency 284 00:22:55,180 --> 00:23:02,740 Washington D.C. on it and dated June the 30th of 1977 which was a matter of slightly more 285 00:23:02,740 --> 00:23:08,660 than 10 weeks from the Washington Whispers column report in U.S. News and World Report 286 00:23:08,660 --> 00:23:10,540 magazine. 287 00:23:10,540 --> 00:23:14,540 Since the CIA letter states that I received unauthorized information, you know it would 288 00:23:14,540 --> 00:23:22,060 seem to lend support to the fact that the 1962 UFO crash case in New Mexico is informational 289 00:23:22,060 --> 00:23:27,660 public should not be told and most of all let's keep it out of the movies. 290 00:23:27,660 --> 00:23:35,780 Interesting since both film companies did just that, kept it out of the movies. 291 00:23:35,780 --> 00:23:40,100 And now what about this Arnold B. White who allegedly headed up the domestic collection 292 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:43,060 division of the Central Intelligence Agency. 293 00:23:43,180 --> 00:23:45,780 Such a person and the division actually exist? 294 00:23:45,780 --> 00:23:53,180 Well, a personal friend of mine also a UFO researcher investigator was aware of my CIA 295 00:23:53,180 --> 00:23:54,180 letter. 296 00:23:54,180 --> 00:23:56,580 I had discussed it with him previously. 297 00:23:56,580 --> 00:24:02,100 Making contact with a gentleman formally with the National Security Agency, my friend 298 00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:10,980 asked if he knew a quote, Mr. White with the CIA and that's as far as my friend got. 299 00:24:10,980 --> 00:24:16,500 The former NSA man interrupted by saying, oh you mean Arnold White? 300 00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:20,580 He's head of the domestic collection division of the CIA. 301 00:24:20,580 --> 00:24:26,460 And of quote, and not only that, but Arnold White was involved in the UFO phenomenon with 302 00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:31,060 the CIA as far back as 1967. 303 00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:35,020 Well with that bit of information I bring to a close this facet of the Cloak and Dagger 304 00:24:35,020 --> 00:24:41,420 game and move to the month of June and the year of 1978. 305 00:24:41,420 --> 00:24:45,340 We might call this the Dayton incident. 306 00:24:45,340 --> 00:24:51,340 Well the Dayton incident occurred within the framework of the Ninth Annual Mutual UFO Network 307 00:24:51,340 --> 00:24:58,700 Symposium during its two day schedule of July the 29th and 30th of 1978. 308 00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:04,820 The location was the Dayton Convention Center just a few miles from the famous Hangar 18 309 00:25:04,820 --> 00:25:09,540 case at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base Dayton, Ohio. 310 00:25:09,540 --> 00:25:15,340 Mufon had scheduled a number of speakers for the event including one Leonard H. Stringfield 311 00:25:15,340 --> 00:25:17,460 of Cincinnati, Ohio. 312 00:25:17,460 --> 00:25:22,900 Mr. Stringfield was formally affiliated with United States Air Force Intelligence and in 313 00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:30,300 civilian life a highly respected UFO researcher investigator since the early 1950s. 314 00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:36,780 His subject was retrievals of the third kind which was to be a case study of alleged UFO 315 00:25:36,780 --> 00:25:40,900 crashes and alien cadavers in the custody of the military. 316 00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:46,700 Little did he realize that while he would be speaking a threat upon his life would be 317 00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:48,340 made. 318 00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:52,860 Mr. Stringfield is a personal friend of mine and over a number of months we indulge in 319 00:25:53,540 --> 00:25:56,380 numerous telephone conversations. 320 00:25:56,380 --> 00:26:03,220 Some of our discussions involve the category of crashed UFOs and we mutually exchange data. 321 00:26:03,220 --> 00:26:11,140 It was during the May-June 1978 time period that we went quite in depth in our UFO discussions 322 00:26:11,140 --> 00:26:16,500 one of which was the case of the CIA letter I had received the year before. 323 00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:22,140 Being quite interested in the overall situation of the letter be it reality or a hoax, Len 324 00:26:22,140 --> 00:26:27,740 invited me to share a portion of his allotted time on the speakers platform to relate the 325 00:26:27,740 --> 00:26:35,020 incident since directly involved was the 1962 crashed UFO case in New Mexico. 326 00:26:35,020 --> 00:26:41,500 Len Stringfield and myself corresponded regularly between telephone and letters during June 327 00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:48,860 and early July 1978 in preparation for our presentation on the crashed UFO syndrome and 328 00:26:48,860 --> 00:26:51,820 the CIA letter. 329 00:26:51,820 --> 00:26:57,460 Because of the sensitivity of our subjects I decided to make contact with one of my main 330 00:26:57,460 --> 00:27:04,900 sources of whom I shall refer to as Mr. Q. This man was affiliated with the United States 331 00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:10,780 Air Force in the early 1950s and eventually became affiliated on a full time basis with 332 00:27:10,780 --> 00:27:13,460 the Central Intelligence Agency. 333 00:27:13,460 --> 00:27:18,980 His investigations into the UFO phenomenon for the CIA over a number of years covered 334 00:27:18,980 --> 00:27:22,900 many aspects including the crashed ones. 335 00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:29,660 During a telephone conversation with him during the first week of July 1978 just a few weeks 336 00:27:29,660 --> 00:27:35,220 away from the Dayton Symposium I was informed the intelligence unit was considering sending 337 00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:41,500 him to the symposium but decided against it when a news release went nationwide relative 338 00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:47,020 to the topic categories of Mr. Stringfield and yours truly. 339 00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:52,660 As the discussion between intelligence and Mr. Q continued they said nothing of the CIA 340 00:27:52,660 --> 00:28:00,420 letter that I had received with the exception of confirming that they were aware of it. 341 00:28:00,420 --> 00:28:04,420 It seems it was Leonard Stringfield they were concerned about and the reason involved the 342 00:28:04,420 --> 00:28:09,980 22 abstracts that he would be presenting at the symposium on crashed UFO cases and humanoid 343 00:28:09,980 --> 00:28:11,780 bodies recovered. 344 00:28:11,780 --> 00:28:19,460 It seems that 80% of his information was accurate and this was based on one to one contacts 345 00:28:19,460 --> 00:28:25,380 that Len previously had with those directly involved in retrieval operations of crashed 346 00:28:25,380 --> 00:28:27,660 spacecraft. 347 00:28:27,660 --> 00:28:36,340 On the 22nd of July 1978 I was again in communication with Mr. Q relative to the upcoming UFO symposium 348 00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:38,340 in Dayton, Ohio. 349 00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:44,140 It was during this time that I was told both Len and I must proceed cautiously from this 350 00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:50,580 point on and stay with the data that we had planned to present and do not deviate from 351 00:28:50,580 --> 00:28:51,860 it. 352 00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:58,620 He suggested my wife Lucy and I should have a gun in our possession while in Dayton. 353 00:28:58,620 --> 00:29:03,620 Taken back by this I sort of casually chuckled someone and told him that we didn't know him 354 00:29:03,620 --> 00:29:04,980 again. 355 00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:09,660 He then suggested that we take a spray gun with us for our own protection. 356 00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:14,820 This would indicate something was known as a possible happening during the symposium 357 00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:16,980 but he would not elaborate. 358 00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:23,420 He only cautioned us to be sure and have a spray gun in our possession at all times 359 00:29:23,420 --> 00:29:27,580 while we were in Dayton, Ohio at that symposium.